Comments on: Today’s thoughts on Ché Guevara http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/ Vitamin C Code Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:38:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Anonymous http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2069 Anonymous Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:41:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2069 In defense of Marxism, Thre is a lot of of confusion out there about marxist thought. A lot of people seemt to think that it is simply an alternative to capitalism or an alternative mode of production as embodied in the soviet union. That is simply not the case. As a marxist studies minor, philosophy minor and economics major (of course economics is taught in the traditional neo classical liberal and keynesian schools of thought) I want to try to disspell that myth. The alternative mode of production that comes to mind when people think about narxism is actually communism. Communism itselt was never really defined by marx and never has been. Even Lenin himself was unable to define it in any complete form. Marxism is more of an economic/philosophic methodology for critquing capitalist production and relations of production. Using the Marxian method (with enhancements by such illustrious marxist academics such as Michael Hardt, Blaut, wolf and many others one can contruct a framework for criticism. There is definitely a lot to criticize, plus I really do think that this whole notion that capitalism is the ultimate advanced mode of production is so eurocentric. That the end of the cold war signified the end of history int the sense that one mode of production has one over and that it will continue forever. One shouldn't think 2-dimensioanlly about something as intellectually rich as the marxian academic legacy. For example, I'm writing a thesis on trying to prove that a global corporation would in fact satisfy all the marxist criticisms of capitalism and this perhaps, the corporation-state, is the ultimate form of communism Khaled AKA Shemeisani kid in exile In defense of Marxism,
Thre is a lot of of confusion out there about marxist thought. A lot of people seemt to think that it is simply an alternative to capitalism or an alternative mode of production as embodied in the soviet union.
That is simply not the case. As a marxist studies minor, philosophy minor and economics major (of course economics is taught in the traditional neo classical liberal and keynesian schools of thought) I want to try to disspell that myth.
The alternative mode of production that comes to mind when people think about narxism is actually communism. Communism itselt was never really defined by marx and never has been. Even Lenin himself was unable to define it in any complete form.
Marxism is more of an economic/philosophic methodology for critquing capitalist production and relations of production.
Using the Marxian method (with enhancements by such illustrious marxist academics such as Michael Hardt, Blaut, wolf and many others one can contruct a framework for criticism. There is definitely a lot to criticize, plus I really do think that this whole notion that capitalism is the ultimate advanced mode of production is so eurocentric. That the end of the cold war signified the end of history int the sense that one mode of production has one over and that it will continue forever.
One shouldn’t think 2-dimensioanlly about something as intellectually rich as the marxian academic legacy.
For example, I’m writing a thesis on trying to prove that a global corporation would in fact satisfy all the marxist criticisms of capitalism and this perhaps, the corporation-state, is the ultimate form of communism
Khaled
AKA Shemeisani kid in exile

]]> By: Roba http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2068 Roba Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:25:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2068 LOL, interesting turn of conversation.. Shmesani Kid in Exile, pretty good point you got there. LOL, interesting turn of conversation..

Shmesani Kid in Exile, pretty good point you got there.

]]> By: Dave http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2067 Dave Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:26:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2067 If it's not Che, it's a Malcolm X car mirror adornment or sticker. I think people just like the "stick it to the man" icons, dead or alive, good or bad (and mostly bad). Interestingly, a couple of years ago, Alberto Diaz Gutierrez won copyright protection on his famous image, since it has been so blatently misused for the past 45 years. I'm pretty sure your friend was wearing an illegal shirt...which kind of accentuates the point, doesn't it? If it’s not Che, it’s a Malcolm X car mirror adornment or sticker. I think people just like the “stick it to the man” icons, dead or alive, good or bad (and mostly bad).

Interestingly, a couple of years ago, Alberto Diaz Gutierrez won copyright protection on his famous image, since it has been so blatently misused for the past 45 years. I’m pretty sure your friend was wearing an illegal shirt…which kind of accentuates the point, doesn’t it?

]]> By: Ameen Malhas http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2066 Ameen Malhas Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:05:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2066 The Che T-Shirt is too cliché. I will not render judgment on the underlying political/economic (ecopolitical?) ideology that is immediately betrayed by purchasing said T-Shirt as explained by my colleague in exile "Shmeisany Kid"... The Che T-Shirt is too cliché. I will not render judgment on the underlying political/economic (ecopolitical?) ideology that is immediately betrayed by purchasing said T-Shirt as explained by my colleague in exile “Shmeisany Kid”…

]]> By: Ameen Malhas http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2065 Ameen Malhas Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:04:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2065 This post has been removed by the author. This post has been removed by the author.

]]> By: Nas http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2064 Nas Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:15:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2064 lol yeah i did notice the che shirts last time i was in amman. but then again u get those "7afartali" looking teenagers wearing spice girls, britney speares and backstreet boys tshirts. these are the guys who look like they havnt washed in a year and carry a butterfly knife in their backpocket lol yeah i did notice the che shirts last time i was in amman. but then again u get those “7afartali” looking teenagers wearing spice girls, britney speares and backstreet boys tshirts. these are the guys who look like they havnt washed in a year and carry a butterfly knife in their backpocket

]]> By: jameed http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2063 jameed Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:53:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2063 *sigh* We had this kid in the lab whose dream was to live in a 1960s VW van. He was all about "Che" and "Rage against the machine"; I once asked him who Che was and he told me "The Cuban guy, Castro's friend" I then proceded to give him a piece of my mind on the commercialization of the image of a revolutionary and as anonymous puts it "commodification" of his struggle. Too bad ya Yazan, talking to some people is a waste of ATPs. qal the cuban guy qal... *sigh*

We had this kid in the lab whose dream was to live in a 1960s VW van. He was all about “Che” and “Rage against the machine”; I once asked him who Che was and he told me “The Cuban guy, Castro’s friend” I then proceded to give him a piece of my mind on the commercialization of the image of a revolutionary and as anonymous puts it “commodification” of his struggle.

Too bad ya Yazan, talking to some people is a waste of ATPs.

qal the cuban guy qal…

]]> By: Anonymous http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2062 Anonymous Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:45:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2062 One must also notice the high irony to be found in the commodification of Che Guevara. The penultimate marxist hero has now become the perfect example of Marx's thoughts on fetishism and reification. It's absolutely hillarious. The forces of capitalist production were not simply content with killing, no they went further and turned him into T-shirt manufactured in china with cheap labour by multinational corporations in order to expand proft margins (or in Marxian terms "increase the surplus value"). From an academic standpoint, Che's essays aren't really that great nothing really original or that interesting. Plus I'd like to point out that marxism is not necessarily directly affiliated with revolution. Indeed Marx himself was sort of ambivalent on the subject. There is a alrge number of quite non-revolutionary marxist academics. I think people that wear the Che t-shirt or have the poster or whatever, they really have absolutely no clue what Che's politics were. If they did they would certainly not buy into the commercialization of Che (As Marx would say, commodification). also, reviving Che's life can also be seen as an "expropriation of the commons" for profit. The commons of course being the cultural memory of revolutionary latin America. Point I'm trying to make. Wearing Che is about the most un-marxist thing someone could do I read that comment on Sabbah's blog about Marxist Shemeisani kids, I really didn't see anything marxist there neo-marxist Shemeisani kid in exile One must also notice the high irony to be found in the commodification of Che Guevara. The penultimate marxist hero has now become the perfect example of Marx’s thoughts on fetishism and reification. It’s absolutely hillarious. The forces of capitalist production were not simply content with killing, no they went further and turned him into T-shirt manufactured in china with cheap labour by multinational corporations in order to expand proft margins (or in Marxian terms “increase the surplus value”).
From an academic standpoint, Che’s essays aren’t really that great nothing really original or that interesting. Plus I’d like to point out that marxism is not necessarily directly affiliated with revolution. Indeed Marx himself was sort of ambivalent on the subject. There is a alrge number of quite non-revolutionary marxist academics.
I think people that wear the Che t-shirt or have the poster or whatever, they really have absolutely no clue what Che’s politics were. If they did they would certainly not buy into the commercialization of Che (As Marx would say, commodification). also, reviving Che’s life can also be seen as an “expropriation of the commons” for profit. The commons of course being the cultural memory of revolutionary latin America.
Point I’m trying to make. Wearing Che is about the most un-marxist thing someone could do

I read that comment on Sabbah’s blog about Marxist Shemeisani kids, I really didn’t see anything marxist there

neo-marxist Shemeisani kid in exile

]]> By: Yazan Malakha http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2061 Yazan Malakha Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:10:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2061 Doesn't matter if I can or can't.. I don't wear Che :) Doesn’t matter if I can or can’t.. I don’t wear Che :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://techhash.com/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2060 Anonymous Mon, 21 Nov 2005 01:26:00 +0000 http://techhash.net/blog/2005/11/21/todays-thoughts-on-che-guevara/#comment-2060 so do you mean that you can write 10 lines about Ernesto Che Guevara ?? meen ana? oh well someone that wears CHE shirt sometimes and still think that i am not a tool and not an asshole too ;) Layla so do you mean that you can write 10 lines about Ernesto Che Guevara ??

meen ana? oh well someone that wears CHE shirt sometimes and still think that i am not a tool and not an asshole too ;)
Layla

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